Many people will say that Socrates' perfect city will not suffice for the definition of justice. They will say that this city is a controlled environment in which the definition of justice for this perfect city does not coincide with the ever-changing, multiple variable filled world that humans actually live in. I however disagree, with this argument. Back when we read Plato's "Meno," the conclusion that virtue does not change due to circumstances was realized. I believe the same pertains to justice. If justice can be defined in this fictional city, then I do not believe that it will change when it is thrown into reality. The definition will be the same, and will not change based on environments.
Second, Does Socrates know what justice is and cannot say it?
I believe this statement to be true. We have already established that many things in life can be taught, but in the same aspect, we have established that many things cannot be taught. I believe justice is something that cannot be taught. Therefore, even if Socrates knows what justice is, he will not be able to teach it. The only thing he can do is to help someone discover (or rather recollect) what justice is.
I agree with Mr Meyer that Socrates' perfect city will not suffice for the definition of justice. Nothing is ever perfect, especially when many different individuals are involved. After re-reading a few of the different books, I finally understand that justice can be taught is some ways but usually it is something that cannot be taught. Its something we all must learn on our own.
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